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Yet more Zimmershit

From Gawker article “George Zimmerman Wants His Normal Life Back”:

George Zimmerman is not getting used to the rest of his life. In a new Spanish language interview with Univision that will air on Sunday night, Zimmerman details exactly how shitty his existence currently is, while also wondering why he can’t live like the rest of us.
First, the grisly details: Zimmerman is $2.5 million in debt. He claims to have post-traumatic stress disorder. He wears a bulletproof vest and follows “safety plans” while in public. He fears being murdered himself. He does not have a job. He does not have health insurance (no Obamacare, eh?). He says that he is homeless.
“Honestly, I [would] love to live a calm life without being in the press. I’d like [to be treated like] any American citizen,” Zimmerman says in the interview, according to a translation by the New York Daily News. “Have a ticket or an argument [and] not have everyone aware. But that’s my life and I do not understand why that is.”

Not surprisingly, the responses in the Gawker comments are mostly along the lines of  “Trayvon wants his life back, and your problems are your own damn fault for killing an unarmed kid!” But I want to note something else. These remarks show what an utterly mendacious bull-shit artist this guy is. Read this line (slightly edited) again:

“I would love to live a calm life without being in the press.” Zimmerman says in the interview.

Uh, George, if you really don’t want to be in the press, why are you GIVING INTERVIEWS to any media outlet that will put your fat mug up on the Tube? His statement above is just another LIE. He doesn’t want a calm life away from the spotlight. He’s a pathological narcissist who has been making trouble for himself his entire adult life so he can get people’s attention. He LOVES BEING IN THE PRESS! His little internal timer is going to go off every 30-90 days of quietude, and he’s going to pull some new attention-begging thing — create a new painting, offer himself for a new celebrity spectacle, whine very publicly about how he wishes the nasty media vampires would leave him alone — until people get bored and actually do stop paying attention to him. At which point he will either shrivel up into dust, or embark on some really drastic form of hey-look-at-me insanity that could well be dangerous to other people, and — should GZ survive his self-made Gotterdamerung — could well finally put him into prison for the rest of his days.

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  1. bgesq
    February 16, 2014 at 6:18 PM

    I agree 1000% and my plan is NOT watch the CNN interview and not visit the spanish network interview. Maybe I am naive, but my hope is that if the networks are not rewarded by viewers, they will pass on having him as their guest- He is not newsworthy; and further, he is a pathological liar who spins reality to suit his purpose, so he’s not even a reliable source of information about himself. His 15 minutes of fame are way over, and we can only hope he shrivels up into dust before he does hurt someone else.
    Whatever metric media uses to gauge viewer interest might be best served by simply ignoring him.

  2. fauxmccoy
    February 16, 2014 at 6:59 PM

    it must be his IBS acting up again :/

    really, who claims to be tired of being hounded by the press when voluntarily being interviewed by the same press?

    • February 16, 2014 at 7:22 PM


  3. wordsalad2009
    February 16, 2014 at 8:39 PM

    I keep relishing that every time he makes a public appearance/comment is another opportunity for him to look like the liar he is.

    Still, it’s a valid point about not replenishing his narcissistic supply. Not to mention money.

    I wonder how much Univision and CNN paid him?

    One thing that came to me while watching the Univision interview was that the ‘boxing pose’ picture of GZ accompanying the Radar Online interview was probably a picture of him from before he killed TM.

    When I compare that picture to his appearance in the interview, it just doesn’t seen possible that he could have chunked up again that rapidly.

    I was going to supply a plain text version of the interview transcript so that everybody could poke holes in the numerous weaknesses in it, but that PDF doesn’t seem to convert very cleanly.

    Well, people are probably getting pretty bored with GZ’s lies, anyway.

    Is this the next phase? Yah, we know he’s a pathological liar. Z-z-z-z…

    It doesn’t bode well for a starving narcissist.

    • racerrodig
      February 16, 2014 at 9:05 PM

      It is actually almost comical that he insists on burying himself every chance he gets…..actually he makes up more chances as time goes on than any normal person would have.

      My grandfather always told me never give yourself an opportunity to bury yourself with lies and bullshit because others will do it with the truth….or something like that.

      So again we can all agree he’s only said a few things that are true

      1) “….and he’s a black male…late teeeens”
      2) “shit…he ran..”
      3) “..he’s running…”
      4) “..then I got out of my schruck…”
      5) “…I pulled my firearm…and fired 1 shot” (stupid Fogen shoulder shrug)
      6) “..my wife is a mess”

      Pretty much everything else is a lie….most of it proven by himself.

  4. racerrodig
    February 16, 2014 at 8:39 PM

    Harken back to the security camera video (cameras Fogen had installed) at Shellie’s parents home, the one they were renting.when he showed up and he’s got his hand on his pistol and taunting her to come closer. This is Fogen pure and simple.

    “Hey …..look at me…..I’m bad……don’t mess with me……or else” Then he’s laughing like a fool after he destroyed her laptop. And the right wing clowns taunt this guy as someone to hold in esteem ?? Why does this jack ass have to live in a world where his guns, acts of violence, attacks, and alleged “self defense and safety issues” consume him ??

    Does he actually think anyone is willing to spend time in prison for blowing his ass away ? Opps….my bad, he’s so in love with his “just being”, I guess he does.Even those people who actually have their time in the spotlight come to a time when it’s over. I’ve been in some great rock bands in my youth…..it’s over…I was a very good drag racer….I’m done with that now……played 13 years of football……years ago. Those are positive things to have done. For the life of me, I simply cannot fathom trying to use being a killer, whether justified or not as a springboard to stardom !!!!!!!
    Needless to say both he and Taaffe have that “short term vision” thing going if he wants a normal life yet has pulled the stunts he has. Personally I don’t know anyone who is as fucked up as he is.

    Then consider the friends he has…….Osterman, who claims he is an Air Marshall. This is an outright lie. To begin with, he’d have been fired the second he stated that as they operate anonymously for safety reasons, not to mention my son’s godfather is the primary instructor (retired Federal Agent) and he ran a check back when he 1st ran his mouth.

    Taaffe….Mr. Big Mouth…..’nuff said on him,.

    As you all have said, he’s nothing but the epitome of the word “Loser” If he wants a normal life, when someone puts a mic. in your face you say “No…..I’d like to decline because this seems to be a lightning rod and is creating too much grief for too many people”

    I read part of the transcript of his interview and wanted to hurl. Good God Almighty, when he went down that mentoring the poor, poor black kids crap, I just can’t believe he can’t see that Shellie and her dad blew him out of the water on that. BUSTED !!!

    In my opinion, anyone who has a shred of pity for him after he showed what a POS he is, has some serious issues with character judgement, is a racist and probably a gun nut.

    I doubt any outlet has asked him for an interview, I’d bet the farm he calls them and they believe it’s good for the ratings.

    The only thug in this case carried a gun…and has has been chronically un / under employed and it looks like nothing will change. It seems he wants to keep banging a drum until someone hires him as talking head….just like Robbie the Racist said he should be.

    You’re correct that at 30 or so day intervals, up his shit pops and he needs that “look at poor, poor me” fix.

    On a “funny” note, Duhhnn had a beg site but only had $310.00 in donations…..I kid you not. I guess all those Zidiotic Gun NutZZ were tapped out.

  5. wordsalad2009
    February 17, 2014 at 10:16 AM

    CNN has a very disturbing tidbit in an article about their upcoming interview with GZ:

    CNN 20140217

    Boldface font my edit for emphasis:

    During his interview with CNN, Zimmerman’s girlfriend and her young daughter wouldn’t leave his side.

    The poor child.

    Is Sheibe that deluded that she wants to be with this lying killer, or is he somehow now using some combination of blackmail and extortion on her?

    Per video at Christi O’Connor’s zimmermanverdict dot net website, somebody at the scene of the Lake Mary cul-de-sac altercation between GZ, SZ, and her father alleged that GZ slipped his firearm to Scheibe, and the latter hid it in her purse.

  6. February 17, 2014 at 1:22 PM

    Vinnie Politan on HLN just now:

    “GZ gets jealous when we start talking about another shooter who claims self-defense. So when we stop talking about Z., Z. does something to make us talk about him again.”

    ++V.P. gives the many examples thereof. Plays clip from CNN interview in which GZ is asked “Are you comfortable being the face of SYG?” and GZ replies “I’m not comfortable being the face of anything, to be honest with you.”++

    “Well if you’re not comfortable about being the face of anything, WHY DO YOU KEEP SHOWING US YOUR FACE!”

    I just love it when TV pundits agree with me! 🙂

    • wordsalad2009
      February 17, 2014 at 3:39 PM

      Vinnie Politan on HLN just now:

      “GZ gets jealous when we start talking about another shooter who claims self-defense. So when we stop talking about Z., Z. does something to make us talk about him again.”

      Sounds like signs of intelligent life on HLN. };-)

      The transcript of the interview in Spanish:

      Univision 20140216

      You don’t really have to speak Spanish to notice that several times GZ said some variation on “…me declararon inocente…,” and what he means by that.

      Um, no he wasn’t ‘declared innocent.’ He was found Not Guilty, which is not the same thing.

      Even interviewer Ilia Calderón said it once. Shame on her.

  7. wordsalad2009
    February 17, 2014 at 7:32 PM

    Well, anybody who was anticipating GZ’s CNN interview tomorrow morning missed out, because CNN apparently moved it up to Monday morning:

    Orlando Sentinel 20140215

    CNN is moving up the premiere of its interview with George Zimmerman.

    Zimmerman’s chat with Chris Cuomo will start Monday instead of Tuesday, as originally planned, on “New Day,” CNN said Saturday. The program starts at 6 a.m. weekdays.

    Hope they’ll provide a transcript, because I like to keep track of GZ’s lies.

  8. wordsalad2009
    February 17, 2014 at 7:35 PM

    Oh, and I see from the same OS piece that GZ gave yet another interview recently:

    A Zimmerman interview with Fusion will be shown at 8 p.m. Tuesday on “America With Jorge Ramos.”

  9. wordsalad2009
    February 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM

    Somebody captured the CNN interview from this morning, and put it on YouTube (it’s about 16 minutes):

    Mox News at YouTube 20140217

    And wonder of wonders, CNN already has a transcript up (although it doesn’t look complete to me):

    CNN Transcript 20140217

  10. wordsalad2009
    February 18, 2014 at 9:24 AM

    Video of Derrick Ashong’s interview of GZ, along with some text explaining why he decided to do the interview:

    Fusion 20140218

    Last week, I interviewed George Zimmerman, who was accused and acquitted of the murder of African-American teen Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida.

    I am not impartial.

    …I believe Zimmerman got away with murder, aided and abetted by a justice system that does not have equal regard for the lives of black and minority youth, and further empowered by self-defense laws that have given citizens of certain states an effective license to kill their neighbors, provided those neighbors are young, black and preferably unarmed.

    I think George Zimmerman should not be walking free, carrying a weapon and doing interviews to explain his “side of the story,” an opportunity Trayvon Martin can never have…

    So why interview George Zimmerman, one of the most hated men in the United States, potentially exacerbating the Martin family’s pain and invoking public ire? Why give him a platform to speak, when Trayvon most certainly cannot?

    I could give you a variety of reasons I believe are valid: we’re the media; it’s our job; people want to know; we have questions, and so on.

    But the biggest reason for me personally? I did the interview because this story is not over. It began long before I was born, but like many, I am committed to resolving it in my lifetime….

  11. wordsalad2009
    February 18, 2014 at 10:01 AM

    Well, I just watched Ashong’s interview of GZ, and in my tiny opinion, it was the best (compared with Univision’s and CNN’s).

    Just thought I’d revisit some of GZ’s propaganda from the Univision interview, though.

    In it, GZ tried to make it sound like becoming a cop was some kind of childhood aspiration that he’d long since set aside:

    Univision transcript 20140216

    GZ:…Yo quise ser policía desde niño, y yo pensaba que eso fue la mejor manera de ayudar a la juventud en la comunidad. Pero trabajando con los niños en el programa como mentor, yo vi que ya cuando eres, ya cuando llegan a ese estado que se necesita la policía intervenir, ya es muy tarde, desafortunadamente. Y eso fue en el tiempo que yo escogí ser o abogado y seguir siendo como juez. So, yo nunca estuve frustrado con eso. Yo siempre supe que pensaba que podía ser en algún tiempo, pero se…, yo quería hacer un impacto en la juventud.

    Bing translation (please understand that this is only a very rough translation):

    GZ:…I wanted to be a policeman since childhood, and I thought that was the best way to help the youth in the community. But working with children in the program as a mentor, I saw that already when you’re, as when they reach that State police needed to intervene, it is too late, unfortunately. And that was the time that I chose to be or lawyer and remain as a judge. So, I was never frustrated with that. I always knew that I thought that I could be in some time, but is, I wanted to make an impact on the youth.

    So, let’s see: when his application to become a police officer in Prince William County, Virginia was rejected, he was, what, a mere child of 25?:

    Manassas Patch 20130703

    Lt. Scott Kearns testified that he sent out a letter on July 8, 2009, denying Zimmerman’s application.

    • wordsalad2009
      February 18, 2014 at 10:56 AM

      I can understand the feelings of those who don’t want to feed GZ’s various sick needs by watching his interviews, however, my point on the kind of propagandizing in which GZ engages (especially in the Univision interview) is that if it’s allowed to stand unchallenged, eventually it might become perceived as “the truth.”

      That’s why every time he opens his yap, and says something less than truthful, it needs to be called out.

      You know, like when “therealGeorgeZ” tweeted that he’d taken the stand in his murder trial:

      “https://twitter.com/TherealGeorgeZ/status/425107574057234432”>therealGeorgeZ at twitter 20140119

      Um, no he didn’t. The closest GZ ever got to taking the stand in his trial is when his lawyer O’Mara guided him through a carefully scripted travesty of an ‘apology’ to Martin’s parents–during his first bond hearing.

      GZ never took the stand during his actual trial, because both he and his lawyers knew that he’d be eviscerated on cross-examination.

  12. wordsalad2009
    February 18, 2014 at 5:00 PM

    Can you say, “Drama Queen(s)?”

    TMZ 20140218

    Zimmerman taped an interview last Tuesday with Univision and Fusion, and then took his girlfriend, her kid and his brother to the beach. While they were catching some rays, people noticed him, started harassing him, and then someone shouted out George had a $10,000 bounty on his head.

    We’re told it freaked him out and they all retreated to the hotel, but the crowd followed them.

    Security swept their room to make sure no one tampered with their stuff and then stood guard throughout the day and night. We’re told Zimmerman did his CNN interview early the next morning and then beat it … literally fleeing Miami.

    Fact is … the bounty threat seems somewhat real. There’s a Black Panthers video online in which one of the leaders puts a $1 MILLION bounty on Zimmerman’s head.

    Fact is…a cursory search of YouTube didn’t turn up anything recent or explicit from the NBPP. As they say at the Data Lounge, “Link, please,” Harvey.

    Well, at least this TMZ piece tells me where Killer Boy was last Tuesday…

    • wordsalad2009
      February 18, 2014 at 5:16 PM

      OK, that TMZ piece has that same old NBPP YouTube video published 20120325:

      YouTube 20120325

      The accompanying text says (boldface font my edit for emphasis):

      Published on Mar 25, 2012

      The Black Panther Party has put out a bounty on the man who shot and killed Trayvon Martin. They have said that it may reach a million dollars by the coming week.

      A couple of things: (a) published 20120325, this video is almost two years old now (b) per GZ, he went into hiding pretty much immediately after he killed TM 20120226.

      So–exactly what was GZ afraid of during that first almost month-long period before the NBPP issued their ‘bounty?’

      Oh, and last but not least: slow news cycle, Harv?

  13. wordsalad2009
    February 20, 2014 at 9:26 AM

    Cashill’s back at it:

    WND 20140219

    It was [Cuomo’s] network after all that turned an indecipherable phrase by Zimmerman into the wildly improbable “coons” and tried to hang him as a racist on the basis of it.

    ‘Nice’ try, Jack.

    There is nothing wildly improbable about “coons.” I suspect investigator Serino thought GZ had said “coons,” or “goons,” because he himself used the word “goons” in one of his interviews with GZ after having listened to the non-emergency police call.

    In fact, Serino might have been trying to throw GZ a ‘lifeline’ by subtly offering the word “goons,” but for whatever reason, GZ didn’t take the hint.

    What’s wildly improbable is that GZ said “punks,” and shame on the authorities for coming up with that one.

    • February 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM

      Well, actually Jack, CNN followed up the initial story in which one audio-guy opined that the word sounded like “coons’ with another follow-up where their “senior audio expert” allegedly “enhanced” the recording and declared that he concluded GZ said “f-ing cold”. So that was CNN’s final word on the word. (As I have written before here, this was the WORST example of ‘audio analysis’ I have ever encountered.)

      • wordsalad2009
        February 20, 2014 at 1:42 PM

        Yah, thanks. “Fcking cold.” But GZ didn’t admit to that, innocuous as it would have been to have said something along the lines of, “Man, it’s fcking cold outside.”

        I suspect that Serino tried to save GZ’s behind by offering him the rhyme “goon,” but GZ didn’t catch a clue on that, either (boldface font my edit for emphasis):

        Miami Herald 20120622

        “That was a kid with a future, a kid with folks that care. Not a goon,” Serino said.

        But then Serino made this fateful remark:

        “You wanted to catch him. You wanted to catch the bad guy, the f—–g punk who can’t get away,” Serino said…

        Ultimately, GZ chopped off on having said “F*cking punks,” and then tried to reinforce the idea during his interview with Sean Hannity:

        Hannity Interview Transcript 20120718 Page Two

        HANNITY: It was a controversy from early on, George, where there was some in the media that, quote, hired expert voice analysts, and I’m certain that works, and then they ended up having to recant and rescind their analysis, where they said these, quote, expletives, get away with this all the time. Do you remember what it was that you said specifically on the tape?

        ZIMMERMAN: Punks.

        HANNITY: Punks. It was not a racial epithet of any type?

        ZIMMERMAN: No. And I can tell you that when the police played it for me in the station, it was clear as day.

        What’s clear as day is that GZ is an opportunistic liar.

      • wordsalad2009
        February 20, 2014 at 3:58 PM

        BTW, Perfesser, I reread your “coons/punks” essay, and I understand what you were saying about the possibility that it was a one-time ‘excited utterance,’ and not necessarily indicative of GZ’s life-long mindset.

        However, I think we can agree that (a) GZ was not in an overly benevolent frame of mind on the evening of 20120226, and (b) he did utter the slur “F*cking coons” while pursuing an African-American that he killed a scant five minutes later.

        • February 20, 2014 at 8:12 PM

          Well, we know a lot more about GZ’s life-long mindset now than we did when I wrote that post. I just hate it anytime anyone takes a single remark as ‘proof’ of someones ‘true character” (e.g. all the crap Jesse Jackson got for once uttering the term ‘Hymietown’ in reference to NYC…). Which is why I picked up the whole ‘coons/punks” thing again after the revelation that GZ’s cousin has accused the entire family of persistent racism.

  14. wordsalad2009
    February 20, 2014 at 10:01 AM

    Oh, thank you:

    Seattle Post Intelligencer 20140218

    Derrick Ashong of Fusion.net interviews Zimmerman at length, while it’s pretty clear he’s trying really hard to keep straight face. Like when Zimmerman explains “if this case taught me anything it is to withhold judgement, provide everyone with the benefit of the doubt…”

    By this George Zimmerman means he learned that everyone else should provide George Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt, not that George Zimmerman should have given the benefit of the doubt to Trayvon Martin before he shot and killed him.

    “…there’s a real suspicious guy…”

  15. wordsalad2009
    February 20, 2014 at 4:35 PM

    Corey speaks about the GZ and Dunn cases:

    Orlando Sentinel 20140220

    The woman who prosecuted George Zimmerman scoffs at his contention that he is a victim in his high-profile murder case.

    “There was one victim in that case and that was Trayvon Martin,” Angela Corey told CNN’s Chris Cuomo in an interview that aired Thursday on “New Day.” “He was legally the victim and he was factually the victim. So it’s a little bit disconcerting to hear that anyone else would be laying claim to that title.”

    As one might expect, GZ supporters do not agree with this. Many of them believe GZ’s story that TM attacked him. I don’t.

    To this day, nobody alive besides GZ knows what really happened in those few minutes in between the time GZ said “He ran,” (indicating that he had lost line-of-sight on TM) and the time the two of them were seen by numerous witnesses wrestling on the ground.

    It really does come down to what one believes, and I personally believe, based on numerous inconsistencies in GZ’s stories that he’s a self-serving liar. I also think it’s more than possible that GZ killed TM, not because he had to, but because he wanted to.

    I don’t think that latter was proven, but I think it was amply proven that GZ created an incident (pursued TM, both using his truck, and on foot) that culminated in death for TM. That’s manslaughter.

  16. wordsalad2009
    February 20, 2014 at 5:23 PM

    U.S. News 20140219

    The problem with the standard of “reasonable” is that it isn’t reasonable at all.

    (The “Stand Your Ground” law was not specifically invoked at either trial [GZ, Dunn], but the Florida self-defense statute, complete with that language, was read to the jury.)

  17. wordsalad2009
    February 20, 2014 at 6:01 PM

    This definitely isn’t zimmersh*t, but I wanted to note the passing of Bob Casale, one of the members of the band Devo:

    Rolling Stone 20140219

    I don’t know about anybody else, but I think Devo’s album “Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo!” was (and still is) just fantastic.

    RIP, Bob.

    • February 20, 2014 at 8:22 PM

      Their indie releases before they signed with Warners were even better.

      The great experimental filmmaker Bruce Conner thought Devo was so cool when he first saw them in SF, he volunteered to make this film for them:

      Devo later adopted Conner’s style for their “Beautiful World” video.

      After that (still unsigned) Devo teamed up with Chuck Statler to make this piece, which was shown at the Ann Arbor Film Festival.

      This was all years before MTV went on the air.

      Bye Bob, and thanks for all the spuds…

      • wordsalad2009
        February 21, 2014 at 9:45 AM

        I only noticed yesterday while reading the press on Bob Casale that Devo drummer Alan “the human metronome” Meyers died last year in June:

        Rolling Stone 20130628

        Myers was surely a major part of Devo’s remarkably tight sound.

  18. wordsalad2009
    February 20, 2014 at 8:40 PM

    whonoze :
    Well, we know a lot more about GZ’s life-long mindset now than we did when I wrote that post. I just hate it anytime anyone takes a single remark as ‘proof’ of someones ‘true character” (e.g. all the crap Jesse Jackson got for once uttering the term ‘Hymietown’ in reference to NYC…). Which is why I picked up the whole ‘coons/punks” thing again after the revelation that GZ’s cousin has accused the entire family of persistent racism.

    Yeah, May 27, 2012 was fairly early in the case. It was like a grotesque, made-for-television mini-series.

    I think GZ is a conflicted mess in so many ways, and race is only one of them.

    I myself am a bit conflicted, at least when it comes to our penal system.

    On the one hand, I’m upset that GZ walked (and seemed to do so with a lot of help), and Dunn may serve as little as 17 years (85 percent of 20). However, on the other hand, I don’t think our system ‘improves’ criminals, indeed, many if not most of them seem to be worse when they get out of prison.

    More and more, I’m thinking we should look at the Swedish model. It probably won’t happen because privatization of prisons has become lucrative, and we’re nothing if not about ‘capitalism.’

  19. wassointeresting
    February 20, 2014 at 9:37 PM

    Don’t know if you’ve already posted/ talked about this Fusion interview. Also, I wasn’t able to sit through more than a few minutes of this (it’s 18 minutes long). Maybe later when I haven’t eaten, for say, 24 hours, and have no chance of chucking up anything.

    Just out of curiosity, if you got on a plane, hypothetically of course, for a transatlantic flight, and there were only 2 seats left, one next to GZ, and the other next to Dunn. Which seat would you pick? Yes, you have to pick one, and no, you cannot “accidentially” spill any burning hot coffee on your neighbor.

    • wordsalad2009
      February 21, 2014 at 10:07 AM

      Yeah, I put a post farther upstream about it. I actually thought it was the best of the three recent interviews, and I believe it took a lot of restraint for Ashong to sit there and be polite.

      As to the airplane scenario, I suppose it would be Dunn, simply because I haven’t been as invested in his case as I have been with GZ.

      Eh, maybe I’d want to be near an emergency exit so that I could jump out after having b*tch-slapped both of them. };-)

    • February 21, 2014 at 10:55 AM

      Since the airplane thing is a fantasy scenario, I’d bulk up like Scwarzenegger in ‘Commando’ and volunteer to sit between the two of them. Then I’d tell the flight attendant “Don’t disturb my friends, they’re dead tired.” jump out of the back of the plane, fall a few hundred feet into a marsh, and pop up running immediately without any sign of injury. (I really do love that movie…)

  20. wordsalad2009
    February 21, 2014 at 10:40 AM

    Major hat-tip to Xena and her blackbutterfly7 wordpress blog for the link to this piece by lawyer John Phillips explaining exactly how Stand Your Ground came into play in both the GZ and Dunn cases (boldface font my edit for emphasis):

    Court and Sports Radio 20140220

    Some claim Stand Your Ground had “nothing to do” with George Zimmerman’s or Michael Dunn’s criminal trials. That is untrue. In each, the jury was instructed:

    If George Zimmerman / Michael Dunn was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

    Here is the jury instruction read to Florida juries BEFORE the Florida legislature’s enactment of Stand Your Ground:

    The defendant cannot justify the use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless he used every reasonable means within his power and consistent with his own safety to avoid the danger before resorting to that force. The fact that the defendant was wrongfully attacked cannot justify his use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm if by retreating he could have avoided the need to use that force

    They need to change that sh*t.

  21. wordsalad2009
    February 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

    O’Mara opining again:

    CNN 20140219

    On this, I think he’s right:

    I think we should remove the instructions about “no duty to retreat” in any self-defense case where the facts don’t support it.

    But then there is this:

    If we repealed “stand your ground” laws tomorrow — if we reinstated the duty to retreat — George Zimmerman still gets an acquittal, and the Dunn jury still hangs.

    Maybe, but not necessarily because of a reinstated duty to retreat, but rather a host of other issues. Ironically, the more cases like this I see, the more I feel sorry for Floridians overall, because I know from personal experience that they aren’t all assholes.

    The underlying concern with the statute is that those who are aware of it may be emboldened by its protection, and place themselves in, or remain in, a circumstance that increases the likelihood of using force.

    That’s right, and I think his client, lying, criminal justice student George “I never heard of SYG before the ‘incident'” Zimmerman was emboldened by that statute, his concealed carry, and the general sorry state of his life on that fateful evening (broke, up past his ears in debt, a stalled college degree, and a fresh fight with his estranged spouse) . Not to mention possibly under the influence of some chemical cocktail…

  22. wordsalad2009
    February 21, 2014 at 11:56 AM

    wordsalad2009 :
    O’Mara opining again:
    CNN 20140219

    Maybe, but not necessarily because of a reinstated duty to retreat, but rather a host of other issues.

    Ugh! Make that read: Maybe, but that would be because of a host of other issues that need addressing.

    Now I think I need to stop running my mouth for awhile, if only because I’m clear as mud…

  23. blushedbrown
    February 21, 2014 at 5:33 PM


    Received the book 2 days ago. Email me when you get the chance.

    • wordsalad2009
      February 21, 2014 at 8:32 PM

      Woo hoo! Thank you, blushedbrown!

      FYI, for those who care, I added a simple text version of the English translation of the Univision interview to the “gztext” thread:

      whonoze at wordpress dot com 201307xx

      • blushedbrown
        February 22, 2014 at 11:47 AM


        Your welcome! 😀

    • wordsalad2009
      March 2, 2014 at 10:22 AM

      @ blushedbrown,

      Have you had time to read the whole book yet?

      I’m very interested in your opinion.

      I’ve read the opinions at amazon dot com, but they don’t really ‘satisfy’ me, as I don’t know the background of the reviewers.

      A couple of them are obvious Zimmerman supporters, and one goes on at length about the ‘propagandists’ for TM, but then reveals himself/herself in recommending Jack Cashill’s take on the case. Cashill? Honey, please. Talk about your propagandists.


  24. wordsalad2009
    February 24, 2014 at 9:26 AM

    O’Connor’s zimmermanverdict dot net website redirected to a “Web Site Unavailable” URL this morning:

    securepaynet dot net

    Meanwhile, GZ is now styling himself as a modern-day Zorro (Zorro with a gun, coming to a theatre near you):

    therealGZ at twitter 20140224

  25. wordsalad2009
    February 24, 2014 at 10:53 AM

    Whoops, hat tip again to Xena at her blackbutterfly7 wordpress blog:

    The picture in the Tweet is of the (in)famous shattered table at Sheibe’s place.

    O’Connor also tweeted a link to a Radar Online piece which doesn’t really appear to contain any new information, but seems to serve as a promotion for O’Connor’s upcoming Wednesday update:

    Radar Online 20140223

    The RO piece lists the firearms, etc. temporarily seized by the police after the incident at Scheibe’s place, and tries to draw an analogy between GZ and mass killers like Lanza and Holmes.

    I can’t say that I agree. While I do think GZ definitely is dangerous, but I don’t see him becoming a mass murderer. I could be wrong; I sincerely hope not in this particular case.

    GZ mentioned his “psychologist” in one of his recent interviews. I do wonder if he is indeed still seeing one, and if they’ve truly diagnosed all of his problems. No, not Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, but Narcissistic Personality Disorder (just for a start).

    I was poking about the net the other day to see what the current treatments were for NPD, and the results weren’t encouraging.

    What I found said that NPD is not curable, but the recommended treatment (presumably ‘palliative’) was cognitive behavioral therapy. Of course, the first necessary steps would be (a) for the NPD patient to recognize that they have the problem (b) and want to change…

  26. wordsalad2009
    February 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM

    @ whonoze,

    I see you deleted some of my bad and/or superfluous posts, possibly in an effort to save this thread from being hosed (I saw earlier that it was starting to become disordered).

    I also see that you did a little manicuring of the gxtext posts containing the Univision transcripts to eliminate needless white space, and make them more readable.

    Thanks a million!


    • February 26, 2014 at 7:40 PM

      My pleasure. The posts don’t damage the thread. I just thought I’d clean things up ‘for posterity’. Thanks for posting the Univision transcripts. If you post the Fusion transcripts, or similar down the road, maybe you can put the text in a word processor and delete the superfluous carriage returns rather than just doing a cut-and-paste straight from a web page.

      • wordsalad2009
        February 27, 2014 at 9:43 AM

        That’s the hell of it; I did a cut-and-paste from the PDF into Word (because trying to save the PDF as text made it total garbage), but maybe the problem was that I never actually saved it in Word. It looked so much ‘cleaner,’ except for the superfluous CRs, so I cut-and-pasted from Word into the wordpress posts.

        Ah well, thanks for cleaning it up.

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