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What has the prosecution missed? Crowd-source-project…

Hey gang, let’s make a list of all the evidence and/or argument that we know is available to the State in the Zimmerman case, or that we can reasonably conclude they should have been able to dig up, but that they have not presented in the trial. I’d like this to be fairly specific as to purpose. So rather than just saying “security videos”, an entry would say, “Use security videos to establish that GZ never parked in front of the clubhouse,” and a separate entry would say “Use security videos synced to police calls to establish that GZ was past the mailboxes on TTL when he called NEN.” And so on. I’ll start with  few more entries off the top of my head:

• The State has not introduced the voice exemplars of GZ yelling Help Me, Help Me, nor TM’s voice samples from his cell phone.

• The State has not made anything of the direction of the blood trails on the back of GZ’s head.

• The redirect of Dr. Rao was incredibly weak. After West got her to admit that the “punctate abrasions” on various areas of GZ’s head COULD be the result of a series of “impacts” on concrete, the State elicited no counter-possibilities. Could the abrasion have been made by dirt/gravel/grass nubs on the ground rather than concrete? Could they have been made by GZ’s head rolling over the surface from side to side rather than by a series of stacatto impacts? Given the presence of these punctate abrasions as the only wounds other than the two small lacerations on the back of the scalp, what kind of force would have been necessary to create them. Would a minimal amount of protective covering of the head have prevented these punctate wounds and scalp lacerations? Say, if someone had suffered the exact same experiences with/to their head, but been wearing a hoodie with the hood up at the time, would that have prevented those “inconsequential” injuries entirely? In short could Trayvon also have had his head bumped around to the same degree as the two men were “wrestling”, but shown no effects because his head was covered at the time?

OK, there’s just a few starters. Have at it. I hope we can wind up with a comprehensive list all in one place.

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  1. July 5, 2013 at 7:00 AM

    • Speech articulation experts could have testified that the screams on JL’s 911 call could not have come from someone who had over their mouth and/or nose, nor from someone who was having their head slammed onto cement, as the impacts would have introduced audible vocal changes in the screams.

    • Did they ever ask John Good how loudly he shouted at the two wrestling men, whether he saw any visual indication that either man had heard him, how long total he observed the scene before turning back inside, and how much time passed between his last clear visual contact with the scene and the gunshot?

    • They could have asked Jayne Surdyka about GZ’s mini flashlight. If it was on, and dropped near the T, you’d think she would have been able to see it shining in the grass from her vantage point. Did she, and if so when? Did she see GZ using a flashlight at any time?

  2. unitron
    July 5, 2013 at 7:06 AM

    Uh, getting the guy who did the autopsy to come and officially put it on the record that the alleged victim really is deceased and testify as to the cause of death.

    I’m pretty sure that’s not the kind of thing usually left to the last minute.

    • unitron
      July 5, 2013 at 7:07 AM

      That was supposed to be a general reply to the thread and not a specific one to anyone’s particular post.

    • July 5, 2013 at 8:45 AM

      Mornin’ uni.

      BDLR just said the ME will come up today, if I heard him correctly.

      • unitron
        July 5, 2013 at 9:13 AM

        Looks like they’re all just going to stipulate and skip actually calling the ME.

  3. July 5, 2013 at 8:44 AM

    • Weather and audio experts to testify that the ‘wind’ sound during the NEN call could not be wind, but is handling noise, and/or GZ’s breathing into the mic.

  4. blushedbrown
    July 5, 2013 at 9:00 AM

    following new thread….

  5. ada4750
    July 5, 2013 at 5:55 PM

    There is so many aspects. One minor but intriguing one. Zimmerman said he had his big flashlight in his hand when Trayvon attacked him at the T. How come it was found near Trayvon’s body?

    They never discussed GZ’s first statements that he felt near the T. Or did i missed it?

    • ada4750
      July 5, 2013 at 5:56 PM

      forgot the follow-up

    • ada4750
      July 5, 2013 at 6:25 PM

      Also the verbal of the confrontation. GZ and witness accounts don’t match. GZ said it wasn’t a loud exchange. W11 and W18 say that it was very loud. W11 said also that she heard shoes sounds.

  6. July 5, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    What’s missing is the narrative of how the two moved from clubhouse vicinity to cut thru vicinity. Except it’s not “missing,” it’s just not responded to by the prosecution when it keeps coming up, even from Don West himself. Enough of the elements to prove this are there. What’s missing is someone to present them AND be cross examined about any of it.

    re the car to pedestrian chase: Osterman spoke to it. RJ spoke to it. The video clip of the car trolling the mail kiosk is on the cusp of showing how the car doubled back to face the mail kiosk. But that clip, the pool cam was NOT entered as a separate clip. Why or why not?

    Missing is the mention of GZ holding a phone to his head in the “bloody head” photo. Each time the defense waves that photo to the jury the state should ask a question about, “do you see the man holding a phone to his head? Did he tell the SPD about that? Did he tell Sean Hannity about that? Did he tell Mark Osterman about that?”

    Missing is the impossibility of the circling the car. This activity cannot be reconciled with the NEN call recording, no how, no way. It’s part and parcel of his false narrative.

    Missing is a full accounting of all the inconsistencies between GZ’s various accounts and a chart showing such. Of course this would best be presented upon cross examination of the defendant, were he to take the stand.

    Missing is any discussion of character issues of either party by either side. Since the defense isn’t really going after trayvon’s character except through breaking the rules, we may never get there. The hinting about toxicology blood being drawn was a low blow.

    Many things are in evidence but not spoken about or highlighted as they were entered into evidence. I’m probably not making the proper distinction between the two.

    NOT missing is the map GZ drew upon showing the amended car position, or the line going into RVC past the cut thru in contradiction to GZ’s statements or re-eneactment.

    Missing is Serino’s capias versions.

    Missing is the witness who was told by serino “this IS a race thing, you have to read between the lines”

    Missing is Austin, the boy who saw something before his dog ran away.

    Missing is W2 who may have changed her story but could be asked anyway about seeing a two person chase.

    Missing is RJ/W8/DD being asked directly about the car to pedestrian chase, which she spoke about to Crump but was NOT asked about directly by the state but WAS asked about by Don West. Seriously, they don’t fucking get it and if they do they keep blowing opportunities to highlight it.

    Missing is any incredible GPS info that proves “they went that a way” at any point.

    Missing is any clips from the M&O bank video.

    Missing is any dash cam from cop cars that may have caught GZ’s car

    Missing is this witness who recognized his car somehow and was supposedy the reason GZ’s bloody nose pic was taken.

    Missing is a FULL account from Manaolo and Smith as to what all was discussed as the trio stood around while TM bled out.

    Missing is a clear admission that Tim Smith did not have his gun drawn when he encounterd GZ and manalo.

    missing is any solid proof that GZ drove a car that night other than a door chime sound.

    Missing is any proof of which way the car faced when it was exited.

    missing is what if anything was in the car that was moved before police were aware it was an element of the crime.

    missing is the knowledge of whther the lighted keychain flashlight had a key to GZ’s ridgeline or to shelies honda sedan

    missing is a toxicology report on GZ himself.

    missing is anyone frmo FDLE to comment on what Serino said when debriefed

    missing is any mention of the fact that the parents had diminishing faith in the SPD, and took DD/W8/RJ’s bombshell account directly to the Feds but got no relief.

    missing is the suggestion that GZ’s injuries are caused by a tree.

    missing is the DNA swabs of various things GZ may have used to self-inflict wounds

    missing is an expert at wrestling who could demonstrate how the person on top cannot direct the movement of the person on bottom very well at all.

    missing is any discussion of the idea that GZ is left handed but seemingly draws a gun with his right.

  7. July 6, 2013 at 8:14 AM

    • An MMA expert could have testified (and I rely on Amsterdam’s persuasive analyses here) that the ‘straddle’ position described by John Good would have been easily countered by someone of GZ’s weight and strength against someone of TM’s build, even if TM had had some MMA training (which he did not…)

  8. July 9, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    Missing: Question of: Is it possible that the injury to the nose (the cut & trauma from force) could have been from the kick of the gun after Zimmerman shot Trayvon?

  9. unitron
    July 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    sproutlette :
    Missing: Question of: Is it possible that the injury to the nose (the cut & trauma from force) could have been from the kick of the gun after Zimmerman shot Trayvon?

    If the prosecution thought there was anything close to a chance of that having happened, I’d think they’d have either brought in their own expert witness to say maybe it did or would have asked one or more of the defense expert witnesses in cross if it were possible, so I’m guessing they considered it of such low probability as to not be worth pursuing.

    If I were trying to convince a jury that things didn’t go the way Zimmerman said they did, I’d certainly bring that up if I thought I could score with it, and I don’t believe the idea never occurred to them, so they must have considered it and rejected it.

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